Maddie Higgins’ Interview with Chris Clark

We spent the majority of our brief Friday night at the Standard. A small warehouse with concrete floors, a makeshift bar, and standing room only, the Standard was the temporary home of the artists deemed more “electronic” performing at Big Ears. Around 10:30pm, Chris Clark occupied the stage in a plain black t-shirt that matched the black tape obscuring his Macbook Pro logo. His head bobbed to the rhythm as he manipulated the live set controllers spread in front of him. We, too, bobbed along in the crowd, our idiosyncrasies manifesting in kinesthetic form. Yet, some of us felt an unpleasantly familiar sense of inhibition.


The mass of bodies pulsed self-consciously, oriented towards the stage, eyes locked on the DJ. I reeled through memories of concerts and club nights in my head and recalled the typical and strange disconnect between the two distinct spaces of musical enjoyment. At clubs, where the DJ is often nestled in a booth or somewhat removed from the spotlight, dancers let loose individually or in groups. They fully utilize their spatial circumstance as they lock into a “flow” for hours. At concert halls, on the other hand, you get an effect similar to the one at the Standard: hesitant shuffling, with an occasional enthusiastic dancer as the exception rather than the norm. Amidst the shuffling, I thought: “Are we here to watch music or here to listen?”


As the set drew to a close, I wondered if Clark had an opinion on the matter. Jay and I spotted him standing at a table near the bar with his manager and felt compelled to interrupt. We didn’t get the first part of the interview–and the full answer to our original question–on tape, and our attempt to follow up with Clark’s team after met with failure. A nonetheless engaging conversation ensued. What follows is a transcript of our discussion, beginning at a moment when Clark mentioned moving around stage more than usual during his Big Ears performance. His manager had just offered some insight on the matter.


Clark: Testing, one two. Ok go on. If you’re not like, uh–the less you do on stage, the more, like, the flaws of the music show up really, really brutally. When you’re not trying to cover it up with a dance move. Is that kinda what you’re saying?


Manager: Yeah. Yeah, i think so. I think it’s because–


Clark: You said it better earlier.


Maddie: No, yeah, you did say it– you definitely said it well.


Manager: The way that I look at it is: when you go to a performance, and you’re in the audience, you are–there’s a relationship between the person that’s playing music, no matter what style they have, and you, in the audience. And if you’re not doing very much then there’s little, um, dialogue.


Maddie: Yeah, room for error.


Manager: There’s less body language, and less–there’s less information.


Maddie: Less perception, like fewer senses. Yeah.


Clark: I was thinking about this the other day. When you look at someone on stage, you’re looking at the effects of the music. And if they’re doing a lot of stuff it distracts you from the cause, what’s coming out of the speakers, and the actual cause is the musical decisions and the thing that you’ll judge the music on purely by its own merits. And if you can just like, do a little bit of a twirl…they’re like social effects. It’s like social or cultural rather than the actual music. Whereas if you’re just like, well I might as well not even be here, you’re opening the music up to severe criticism. But, at the same time if your music’s good, people will be like “well okay, this guy’s not gonna do a bit of musical theatre, he’s not in pantomime, he’s not an actor, he’s not like, he’s not a break dancer, so I’ll just listen to the music.” And if you’re music’s good enough, then I think people are really into that. When you’re just like, “Well, no, I’m not gonna ask the crowd to applaud after every breakdown.”


Maddie: No, of course.


Jay: What about from your performance aspect? Do you enjoy it when you’re kinda up there, putting on a show?


Clark: Not always, no. I enjoyed it tonight.


Maddie: I would agree, I would agree. not always.


Clark: yeah?


Maddie: Yeah.


Manager: No, definitely not always.


Clark: Sometimes it’s awful.


Maddie: Especially when you get discouraged. Like, if something–sometimes–I don’t know. For me at least, something bad happens and I’m just like “Now I don’t wanna–” I mean, I know I gotta keep going but it just–




Clark: Yeah. I think as soon as you start thinking too much about what people are, you know–


Maddie: Perceiving, yeah?


Clark: I mean, just people are. You know, you can’t look at it like it’s like uh, I don’t know. I just can’t. I wish people–well, I don’t wish this at all actually, but like people–


Manager: Disclaimer, that was a disclaimer.


Clark: People are so unpredictable. You can’t get into this mentality that you know what people like and you just need to think about what they want. Because it’s chaos–it’s utter chaos. Every human on this planet is far too intelligent to have one clear motive. So, if you just think of like, you’re playing to an audience of everyone who’s totally different in their own world, with different expectations–they might hate what you do, they might love it–and then you’re just like, well, fuck it, I’m just gonna do what I wanna do. Because you can’t–there’s no way you can–


Maddie: You can’t please everyone.


Clark: It’s not like a focus group, you can’t ask them “do you want to hear a kick drum? Do you want to hear a melody?”


Maddie: Like, how does this snare feel to you, can I make it a little tighter?


Manager: Yeah.


Clark: Yeah. It would be really bad, if it was like that. If it was so proscribed, it would be actually–not good.


Maddie: Yeah, that actually brings up another question for me. I guess, for me, when I’m DJing, I’m always wondering…because I have friends who say different things. Some of my friends say, “forget the crowd, just play what you wanna hear, and if you’re really passionate about it then it should come through,” right? And then I have other friends who say, like, you know, “try to tailor what you’re interested in also to the crowd and shit…”


Clark: Oh, fuck that, no. I would reject the second one. Quite strongly.


Maddie: Okay, true. Good, good to know.


Clark: But then–


Maddie: You gotta have a good time, you know.


Clark: Yeah, but then I’ve really gotten into trouble in the past by doing that.


Maddie: Of course it doesn’t always work.


Clark: Yeah, doesn’t always work. Because I’ve just got–I’ve got really shitty taste in music. Like I really love that Beyonce track–this isn’t on tape right?–that Halo track.


Maddie: Which Beyonce track?


Clark: Halo.


Maddie: Oh Halo, yeah! it’s not bad.


Clark: My girlfriend caught me listening to it. I listened to it in the morning on headphones, like while I was making coffee. I had it on like four times in a row on loop. And it was like a guilty pleasure.


Maddie: She doesn’t know.


Clark: She was like, “Have you–are you just there? Listening to that? You’ve just been listening to that for about half an hour on loop?”


Manager: That’s almost grounds for divorce isn’t it?


Clark: It’s a fucking amazing tune.


Manager: No, no, I know, I was joking.


Clark: That track is amazing.


Manager: I know it quite well. Why do you think it’s bad to listen to?


Clark: Well, no. It was more the fact that I was–it wasn’t the track, she loves it as well–it was more that I was like listening to it in the morning on headphones, almost like I was looking at porn or something and she’d caught me having a wang.


Manager: And you were in, like, a white vest.


Maddie: A moment.


Clark: Because I was just sitting there, like, with my tea.


Jay: Did she interrupt the moment? Or did she let it flow?


Clark: No, she just, like, smirked at me and was like “You’ve been listening to that–you really like that song, don’t you?” You know when you’re called out for liking something a bit too much, and it didn’t deserve that much love.


Jay: I feel like that’s where musical tastes are made, though. Like on the fringes–the weird shit that other people don’t like, but that you somehow manage to enjoy.


Maddie: I feel like that’s how genres are made, almost. You know, just kinda take something that’s super on the fringe and make this new genre out of it.


Jay: Not that Beyonce is exactly on the fringe.


Maddie: Not that Beyonce is, no, but…


Manager: She’s had a fringe before.


Clark: She kind of is, because that track is so fucking technically accomplished. It’s like, these insane melodies that she just belts out. And it’s quite easy to, like–I can sing that to myself internally, but–

At this point, a member of the road crew instructed the men to pack up their items and prepare for travel. Our conversation was cut tragically short, leaving us with many questions: what secrets does Clark know about ‘Halo’? When was Beyoncé on the fringe? When will people stop staring and start dancing? We might have to hunt Clark down at Pitchfork to find out. -Maddie Higgins

Holly Herndon’s set at Big Ears this year was easily one of my top three of the weekend. Accompanied by visuals from her husband Mat Dryhurst, Holly flowed between songs, mixing improvisation with more formal songs. Rooted in techno and avant-garde electronic music, her music moves in strange but familiar ways. Take, for instance, “Chorus“: Over glitchy waves of sampled browser content, scattered drum hits build into a beat, grooving for long enough to convey the instant familiarity of dance music before breaking back down into scattered percussion hits and glitchy samples.

I got the chance to interview her before her Red Bull-sponsored show last Tuesday at the Empty Bottle. We talked about her compositional techniques, her approach to live shows, and what her upcoming album Platform will sound like. Listen to the full audio below.



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To usher in 2015 we will be posting a series of reflections, lists and miscellania that look at back at what the past year has had to offer. Today we have two shows focused on 2014′s underground electronic music and some accompanying notes courtesy of longtime Streetbeat DJ and host of etc. radio (Fridays 10pm-3am) … m50


m50, Ashina, and special guest Multipara on 1/2/2015: FULL SET w/ Tracklist

m50 on 12/19/2014: FULL SET w/ Tracklist

On December 19th, I played almost only records from 2014. You can listen on my Soundcloud and Mixcloud webpages. Here are some highlights:

Davor – Ride With Me
Deep Detroit beatdown vibes via Croatia

Niro – Via Newton 1
Housey, cosmic, upbeat, future-garage from Italy

RDMA – Fanciful
Downbeat minimal grooves from Germany

Ranko – Ballad Of A Dead Bird
Strange leftfield organic / boom-bap fusion from Germany

On January 2nd, we hosted a guest set from Berlin’s Multipara, where he made some selections from the past year as well, my highlights again:

Quasi Dub Development – Shaky Steak
Super squiggly & tuneful dub from Italy

Building Instrument – Bli Med
Gorgeous vocals & low-tech grooves from Norway

Cristian Vogel – Forest Gifts
Murky spectral techno from Germany

Springintgut & F.S. Blumm – Zeitgeschwindigkeit
Elegant romantic folktronica from Germany

Xavier Charles – 10 clarinets in a washing machine
Truth in advertising, from France

But really, you should listen to the whole programs, they go a lot further…

To usher in 2015 we will be posting a series of reflections, lists and miscellania that look at back at what the past year has had to offer. We start with Rock DJ Ted Schwaba’s




why 15 albums and not 20? because 2014 was kind of a lame year in music, imo. maybe it’s because i’m “old” now so I don’t care for young thug’s style of rap


15 – Travi$ $cott – Days Before Rodeo (mixtape)


sounds like: it’s already ripping off the next music trend

days before rodeo is travis scott’s mixtape of stuff he cut from his album that’s supposed to come out sooner or later, and it’s mostly notable for inspiring kanye to remake a beat or something on his new album, which would almost definitely be number 1 on my list had it come out this year. so really, we should knock travi$ for delaying better music than his. I mostly like it for conceptual reasons; travis steals a flow from nicki minaj off a song she did like 2 months before this mixtape came out (lookin’ ass), and one of the beats is just a different version of that kendrick lamar feature on pusha t’s album last year (i.e. mamacita sounds like nosetalgia) it’s like accelerationist appropriation. Cuz a big part of rap is “take old sounds and repurpose them” but he’s just taking CURRENT sounds and repurposing them! slow down travis! . also there’s this real emotional chord in “drugs you should try it” that gets stuck in my head (where he says “take this night AH-wayyy”) check it out:

heres a link to the mixtape download (it’s free, cuz its a mixtape)

14 – Tielsie – Palette/Hueboy/Bipp (remix) (three songs next to each other on soundcloud)


Sounds like: what i wish EDM sounded like

Tielsie is one of the PC music people, but he sounds really different from the other PC music people (mainstreamier?) so i’m pretty sure he’s an actual different human and not just AG cook under a different name. anyways these three tracks aren’t supposed to be together, they’re just kind of jammed back to back by soundcloud’s player SO THATS HOW I LISTEN. But give it a try! It’s nice and fast and good vibesy. uh and i’m a sucker for really fast syncopated percussion w some footwork influences. oh and you can DL it for free offa soundcloud

13 – Lil B – Hoop Life (mixtape)


sounds like: The Spiritual Successor to Basketball by Lil Bow Wow

if i had the werewithal  to keep up with all the stuff lil b puts out, i would probably be a happier man, because it is universally acknowledged that he is the most coolest on the face of the earth. and I, a simple midwestern man, am incapable of feeling nuanced emotions so i just listen to happy music all day and refuse to feel sad, limiting me from ever becoming a true human being. uhh this is nice because lil b calls Wichita State University “witchika state.” lil b also has this magical way to mess up “proper” grammar and get his point across in very creatively broken sentences (eg “you say that I’m wack? see me on the court. score on me if you’re talkin bout points.”) which is a lyric from album standout Fuck KD, an excellent diss track with origins explained here better than I can:

and here’s the track:


12 – DJ Rashad – We On 1 (EP)


sounds like: RIP DJ RASHAD


DJ Rashad passed away this year of a drug overdose (not a blood clot, actually, lots of autopsy confusion and weird media stuff surrounding it though so i understand if you’re confused (RIP oscar taveras as well)) and this is the last stuff he put out before passing away. First two tracks are classic repetitive-vocals footwork fare, middle seems like where footwork is currently, last track is a sped up version of Chaka Khan’s “I Feel For You” and maaan i could just listen to it all day.

11 – Boddika, Joy Orbison and Pearson Sound – Faint/ Nil (reece)/ Moist (single)


sounds like: thinking man’s techno

you know how you go to best buy and try on the expensive headphones and they’ve got a very well-produced song going on in the background (probably like… some promotional Jay Z track that sucks because Jay Z sucks now and is the epitome of sell out) and you’re like “maan i NEED these 500 buck headphones to hear music this good?” these tracks, if set as the headphone kiosk’s default tracks, would move BOATLOADS of headphones. they’re so dense and diverse! Of course, that makes them crap for parties, or really any type of social listening. you’re supposed to go somewhere quiet, close your eyes and listen to the like 5000 different percussive sounds in the three tracks. disclaimer: moist has some squishy gross samples and makes me feel ill at ease

10 – Merchandise – After The End (album)


Sounds like: yacht music

I’ve been big on merchandise for a while now, but they’re always switching up their sound. Buncha tampa bay hardcore guys who now play yacht-rock sounding eagles 80s music. wind chimes in the intro track. you know what it is. so this isn’t “life in the fast lane” but in a similar vein it’s also so un-trendy that i think it’s pretty cool. sounds very cheesy at times, there’s a song with telephone ringtones in it, who does that anymore? maybe you have to be a privileged asshole to like this music, hopefully not though! because i like it!

9 – Usher – Good Kisser (Disclosure Remix) (single?)


sounds like: Smooth party music

good story:

so i was at a “party” and i mosey on over to the spotify (which was playing a crap gucci mane song) and asked the guy manning it if i could cue up a track. “sure,” he replies, “what artist?” “Usher.” “Usher? Nah, that’s gay music.” no surprise — someone really into gucci is a homophobic blockhead. he walks away, so i put on this track anyways. About halfway into the song, he walks back up and says “Yo! This song is awesome! Who is this?”

8 – Panopticon – Roads To The North (album)


sounds like: vast soundscapey metal, but sometimes it just sounds like bluegrass

Panopticon is from Kentucky, I think, which explains why their country genre interludes are actually good instead of cheesy: its coming from the heart, not from fulfilling some over-technical metal guitarist’s virtuosity checklist. the production is grand, and even if you don’t like metal you’ll be cool with the country stuff. also the album art is very pretty and gets me in some type of lumberjack snowshoeing mood

a country song:

that segues into a metal song:

7 – Taso – Teklife Till Tha Next Life Vol. 1 (album)


sounds like: a party where everyone’s too cool for you to talk to comfortably

Taso’s part of teklife, but he usually has a more hip hop bent to his footwork. his original compositions for this album, like Luchini and Only The STrong WIll Survive, are awesome and really get my blood boiling (i think that’s an archaic saying nowadays). Only problem is he does footwork covers of C.R.E.A.M. and SpottieOttieDopalicious which are like two unfuckablewith songs. There’s literally no way to improve either of them, but maybe if you DJ this at a party people will do that thing they do where they think you’re remixing the original CREAM live on your turntables somehow, and then you will earn mad respect or something while all you’re actually doing is messing around with the hi pass filter

6 – Lakutis – 3 Seashells (mixtapey album)


sounds like: saying words over and over again in the coolest way possible while youre immersed in 1 foot of murky water

I like lakutis a lot; i tweeted at him for a n essay i was writing a few years back and he actually responded with thought out answers. he’s also in a podcast i lsiten to (podcasting is the new It thing, but not podcasting in a bad Lifehacker way, podcasting in a slice of life casual convo sorta way) uhhh i like the production on all these songs, its nice and dark and i originally thought this album was just okay but i listen to it a lot on the train so maybe its way better than i thought?

listen n download:

5 – Clams Casino – Instrumental Mixtape 3 (mixtape)


Sounds Like: beats so good that you’re glad nobody’s rapping over them

Ok so this came out in december 2013 but i didnt’ listen to it until 2014 so it’s on this year’s list. I’m usually not a man for instrumental rap beat; instrumentals tend to feel way sparse and need fleshing out by the percussion of the rapper’s voice to keep me interested. UNLESS YOURE CLAMS CASINO, who is definitely the best producer in the game right now if by “best” you mean “most dynamic.” there’s so much variety! AND it goes hard at a party. also his other instrumental mixtapes are good too if uou don’t have them. there’s no way you won’t like em. ITS A TED GUARANTEE.


4 – Sun Kil Moon – Benji (album)


sounds like: strummy acoustic guitar accompanying a very emotional true story

when i was in high school i could listen to 100% bland radio rock songs like the Goo Goo Dolls’ Iris and Drive by incubus and get emotional and angsty. And if ilistened to them like RIGHT BEFORE BED i could even cry most of the time. then i got mature and as a totally dispassionate art critic i now judge work solely by its artistic merit and i only cry when i get hit in the nose because even one who has transcended emotion cries when they get hit in the nose. or at least I thought…. BUT benji reawakened my emotional music sensibilities, as everytime i listen to it i get really sappy and think about how i haven’t called my parents in a while and feel bad for exploding aerosol cans and think about mortality and get melancholy about high school romances. it’s great! i don’t even like this genre 99% of the time because the lyrics drive the train, and the lyrics are usually really corny but not today

3 – Kool AD – WORD OK (album)


Sounds Like: casually delivered hella thoughtful

Everything about this album is west coast, which might offend people who want their rap to get to the point more quickly, but I don’t think that Kool AD functions as well in a cluttered new york production space (see Das Racist’s El-P produced stuff, for example). His drawly flow drops knowledge bombs about four times each verse, and you’ll never know it unless you actually listen becasue he’s too modest to do that dumb thing that big sean would do if he rapped a good bar (as in call back to it so you know BIG SEAN IS SMART capital neon letters). sometimes he doesn’t try, but just don’t listen to those songs! if i could be anyone alive right now, i would be kool ad. if i could be anyone alive ever, i would be Ramses, maybe. who would you be?

dl link:

2 - A. G. Cook, GFOTY, Danny L Harle, Lil Data, Nu New Edition and Kane West – PC Music x DISown Mix (mix)


sounds like: 60 possible future universes in 60 minutes

PC Music was the “new hot thing” in 2014 which means that you, the reader, are either a) bored of them already and would like to get on with something conceptually newer in 2015 or b) are a regular person and don’t understand these “group a)” people because these PC Music youtube videos have like 4000 views; what do you mean they’re popular? Kind of hard to be writing for both a general audience and music dorks here, so no further comment. It sounds great. My favorite part is at 12:50. you favorite part can be anywhere you want it to be. free download on the track

1 – Sophie – Lemonade/Hard (and I guess Hey QT too) (single)


Sounds like: squeaky clean rubber ducks gaining incredible momentum and bouncing around a kitchen, except when they hit something they go faster instead of slower

My music of the year is two tracks by Sophie, who has yet to make anything less than amazing, and one track by QT, who is a 2 person due of which Sophie is half. This sounds a lot like PC music (it’s actually on the NUMBERS label but who cares) because it has a sweetness to everything that comes off as forward thinking rather than just dumb. so here’s my resultant thinkpiece: David Foster Wallace talked a lot about the poisons of irony, how it can only clear space for ideas and cannot constitute a meaningful movement in and of itself. Instead he praised what has come to be called new sincerity, basically being genuine and emotional and eliminating the harsh sarcasm from your being because what is irony doing anymore when the denny’s twitter account has fully coopted it? NUFFIN. problem is, sincerity is rather corporatized too, and i think it’s good that i throw up whenever i encounter my aunt’s precious moments figurines. That leaves us in a narrow space for future cultural innovation: how to move forward straddling irony and sincerity, ensuring both remain in the service of connection rather than alienation? PC music’s got a bit of an answer. spectaclist images of conspicuous consumption are brought to a scalding temperature and allowed to wash over beats and song structures, cleaning the classic chord progressions that we only pretend we’re tired of for new use in a framework that’s post-capital: QT is famous because she says she is, but QT isn’t a real person (but you can follow her on instagram). Lipgloss twins extoll the latest, scarcest fashions, but PC music releases unlimited music for free download. AG Cook is like 10 different artists, and this diffusion of identity rebels against maybe the most ingrained western idea (the self). Metamodernism has a soundtrack.

Listen to Lemonade/Hard:

listen to Hey QT: